diff --git a/plugin.yml b/plugin.yml
index cbe0f5e1..3b969038 100644
--- a/plugin.yml
+++ b/plugin.yml
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ permissions:
       factions.sethome.any: true
       factions.money.*: true
       factions.join.any: true
+      factions.join.others: true
       factions.admin.any: true
       factions.mod.any: true
   factions.kit.halfmod:
@@ -120,6 +121,8 @@ permissions:
     description: join a faction
   factions.join.any:
     description: join any faction, bypassing invitation process for closed factions
+  factions.join.others:
+    description: specify another player in the join command, to move them to the specified faction
   factions.kick:
     description: kick a player from the faction
   factions.kick.any:
diff --git a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdJoin.java b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdJoin.java
index 3e3d1da7..1677af5f 100644
--- a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdJoin.java
+++ b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdJoin.java
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@ package com.massivecraft.factions.cmd;
 
 import com.massivecraft.factions.Conf;
 import com.massivecraft.factions.Faction;
+import com.massivecraft.factions.FPlayer;
 import com.massivecraft.factions.P;
 import com.massivecraft.factions.struct.Permission;
 
@@ -13,7 +14,7 @@ public class CmdJoin extends FCommand
 		this.aliases.add("join");
 		
 		this.requiredArgs.add("faction name");
-		//this.optionalArgs.put("", "");
+		this.optionalArgs.put("player", "you");
 		
 		this.permission = Permission.JOIN.node;
 		this.disableOnLock = true;
@@ -30,54 +31,71 @@ public class CmdJoin extends FCommand
 		Faction faction = this.argAsFaction(0);
 		if (faction == null) return;
 
-		if ( ! faction.isNormal())
+		FPlayer fplayer = this.argAsBestFPlayerMatch(1, fme, false);
+		boolean samePlayer = fplayer == fme;
+
+		if (!samePlayer  && ! Permission.JOIN_OTHERS.has(sender, false))
 		{
-			msg("<b>You may only join normal factions. This is a system faction.");
+			msg("<b>You do not have permission to move other players into a faction.");
 			return;
 		}
 
-		if (faction == myFaction)
+		if ( ! faction.isNormal())
 		{
-			msg("<b>You are already a member of %s", faction.getTag(fme));
+			msg("<b>Players may only join normal factions. This is a system faction.");
+			return;
+		}
+
+		if (faction == fplayer.getFaction())
+		{
+			msg("<b>%s %s already a member of %s", fplayer.describeTo(fme, true), (samePlayer ? "are" : "is"), faction.getTag(fme));
 			return;
 		}
 
 		if (Conf.factionMemberLimit > 0 && faction.getFPlayers().size() >= Conf.factionMemberLimit)
 		{
-			msg("<b>The faction %s is at the limit of %d members, so you cannot currently join.", faction.getTag(fme));
+			msg("<b>The faction %s is at the limit of %d members, so %s cannot currently join.", faction.getTag(fme), fplayer.describeTo(fme, false));
 			return;
 		}
 
-		if (fme.hasFaction())
+		if (fplayer.hasFaction())
 		{
-			msg("<b>You must leave your current faction first.");
+			msg("<b>%s must leave %s current faction first.", fplayer.describeTo(fme, true), (samePlayer ? "your" : "their"));
 			return;
 		}
 
-		if (!Conf.canLeaveWithNegativePower && fme.getPower() < 0)
+		if (!Conf.canLeaveWithNegativePower && fplayer.getPower() < 0)
 		{
-			msg("<b>You cannot join a faction until your power is positive.");
+			msg("<b>%s cannot join a faction with a negative power level.", fplayer.describeTo(fme, true));
 			return;
 		}
 
-		if( ! (faction.getOpen() || faction.isInvited(fme) || fme.isAdminBypassing() || Permission.JOIN_ANY.has(sender, false)))
+		if( ! (faction.getOpen() || faction.isInvited(fplayer) || fme.isAdminBypassing() || Permission.JOIN_ANY.has(sender, false)))
 		{
 			msg("<i>This faction requires invitation.");
-			faction.msg("%s<i> tried to join your faction.", fme.describeTo(faction, true));
+			if (samePlayer)
+				faction.msg("%s<i> tried to join your faction.", fplayer.describeTo(faction, true));
 			return;
 		}
 
 		// if economy is enabled, they're not on the bypass list, and this command has a cost set, make 'em pay
-		if ( ! payForCommand(Conf.econCostJoin, "to join a faction", "for joining a faction")) return;
+		if (samePlayer && ! payForCommand(Conf.econCostJoin, "to join a faction", "for joining a faction")) return;
 
-		fme.msg("<i>You successfully joined %s", faction.getTag(fme));
-		faction.msg("<i>%s joined your faction.", fme.describeTo(faction, true));
+		fme.msg("<i>%s successfully joined %s.", fplayer.describeTo(fme, true), faction.getTag(fme));
+		if (!samePlayer)
+			fplayer.msg("<i>%s moved you into the faction %s.", fme.describeTo(fplayer, true), faction.getTag(fplayer));
+		faction.msg("<i>%s joined your faction.", fplayer.describeTo(faction, true));
 
-		fme.resetFactionData();
-		fme.setFaction(faction);
-		faction.deinvite(fme);
+		fplayer.resetFactionData();
+		fplayer.setFaction(faction);
+		faction.deinvite(fplayer);
 
 		if (Conf.logFactionJoin)
-			P.p.log(fme.getName()+" joined the faction: "+faction.getTag());
+		{
+			if (samePlayer)
+				P.p.log("%s joined the faction %s.", fplayer.getName(), faction.getTag());
+			else
+				P.p.log("%s moved the player %s into the faction %s.", fme.getName(), fplayer.getName(), faction.getTag());
+		}
 	}
 }
diff --git a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdPermanent.java b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdPermanent.java
index 36c23bc3..fd6efcc2 100644
--- a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdPermanent.java
+++ b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/cmd/CmdPermanent.java
@@ -44,18 +44,18 @@ public class CmdPermanent extends FCommand
 			faction.setPermanent(true);
 		}
 
-		P.p.log((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.getName())+"<i> has "+change+" the faction \"" + faction.getTag() + "\".");
+		P.p.log((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.getName())+" "+change+" the faction \"" + faction.getTag() + "\".");
 		
 		// Inform all players
 		for (FPlayer fplayer : FPlayers.i.getOnline())
 		{
 			if (fplayer.getFaction() == faction)
 			{
-				fplayer.msg((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.describeTo(fplayer, true))+"<i> has "+change+" your faction.");
+				fplayer.msg((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.describeTo(fplayer, true))+"<i> "+change+" your faction.");
 			}
 			else
 			{
-				fplayer.msg((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.describeTo(fplayer, true))+"<i> has "+change+" the faction \"" + faction.getTag(fplayer) + "\".");
+				fplayer.msg((fme == null ? "A server admin" : fme.describeTo(fplayer, true))+"<i> "+change+" the faction \"" + faction.getTag(fplayer) + "\".");
 			}
 		}
 	}
diff --git a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/struct/Permission.java b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/struct/Permission.java
index f03e4ae1..e5a501b9 100644
--- a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/struct/Permission.java
+++ b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/struct/Permission.java
@@ -27,6 +27,7 @@ public enum Permission
 	INVITE("invite"),
 	JOIN("join"),
 	JOIN_ANY("join.any"),
+	JOIN_OTHERS("join.others"),
 	KICK("kick"),
 	KICK_ANY("kick.any"),
 	LEAVE("leave"),
diff --git a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/zcore/MPlugin.java b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/zcore/MPlugin.java
index 4955a75d..5e246a7a 100644
--- a/src/com/massivecraft/factions/zcore/MPlugin.java
+++ b/src/com/massivecraft/factions/zcore/MPlugin.java
@@ -219,7 +219,17 @@ public abstract class MPlugin extends JavaPlugin
 	{
 		log(Level.INFO, msg);
 	}
-	
+
+	public void log(String str, Object... args)
+	{
+		log(Level.INFO, this.txt.parse(str, args));
+	}
+
+	public void log(Level level, String str, Object... args)
+	{
+		log(level, this.txt.parse(str, args));
+	}
+
 	public void log(Level level, Object msg)
 	{
 		Logger.getLogger("Minecraft").log(level, "["+this.getDescription().getFullName()+"] "+msg);